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REPLACE IGNITION LOCK CYLINDER 1998 BUICK LESABRE GOT NEW

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REPLACE IGNITION LOCK CYLINDER 1998 BUICK LESABRE GOT NEW KEY FROM GM WITH THE RIGHT CHIP IS THERE A WAY TO RELEARN WITHOUT TAKING IT TO GM DEALER
Submitted: 10 months ago.
Category: Buick
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
good morning my name is ***** ***** I will assist is this the black key with the resistor on the key?? did the lock cylinder have 2 wires to it?? Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
YES AND YES
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, thanks.there is no re learn for this. if the correct resistor key was used and matched to the old key, which was required, then it should allow starting on its own. no re learn needed. did you take the old key with you to match the resistance??? if you use anything other than the old key resistance, it will not start Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
BROUGHT OLD KEY TO GM THEY MATCHED IT UP CAR WONT TURN OVER
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, and you connected the harness under the dash back?? how did you determine the cylinder was bad??? were the wires broken?? Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
CONNECTED HARNESS WIRES WERE NOT BROKEN THOUHT I WOULD TRY CYLINDER SINCE NO POWER GETTING TO STARTER OR FUEL PUMP
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, when the cylinder fails, it usually breaks the wires. so you have another issue. lets start at the beginning. what happened Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
CAR WOULD NOT START SECURITY LIGHT FLASHES WHEN YOU OPEN DOOR IS THAT COMMON
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
with the key on, does the security light stay blinking or go out??? Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
IT GOES OUT HAVE POWER TO RADIO AND HEATER PANEL NO OTHER LIGHTS LIGHT UP WITH KEY ON SUCH AS BRAKE LIGHT CHECK ENGINE LIGHT
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, thanks first thing I would do is check all fuses in the underhood fuse block with a test light and verify power to all fuses on both sides. the fact that the check engine light is not on tells me either there is no power to the pcm or the pcm has failed Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
BIG FUSES UNDER HOOD ALL HAVE POWER ON BOTH SIDES
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
big fuses??? what about all the others??? Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
THERE ARE ONLY BIG FUSES UNDERHOOD ON FIREWALL
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, check the one inside
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
NO POWER TO FUSES 5 6 7 AND 8 ON PASSENGER SIDE
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WHAT SHOULD I CHECK NEXT
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
the power for those fuses comes from the ignition switch. can you check the back of the fuse block for any loose connectors or broken wires??? Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WIRES ALL LOOK LIKE THEY ARE GOOD
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I HAVE THE OLD KEY
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, I would be looking at the ignition switch as the power source that has failed here. without power there thats why it wont start Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
IS THERE A WAY TO PUT POWER TO IT TO BY PASS IT FOR TESTING
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
old key has no effect on anythingyou can put 12 volts to the fuse to test but that does not tell you where the failure is at.
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
THE 2 WIRES FROM LOCK CYLINDER COULD THEY BE BAKWARDS OR DOESNT THAT MATTER
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I MENTIONED OLD KEY IF YOU THINK WE NEED TO TEST RESISTANCE ON CHIP
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
no. not the issue at all
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
SMALL WIRES FROM LOCK CYLINDER NOT AN ISSUE
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
correct. you said you have them connected
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
YES IT DOESNT MATTER WITCH HOLE THEY GO IN
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
the connector only goes one way
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
THE WIRES FROM THE LOCK CYLINDER DID NOT COME WITH A CONNECTOR I HAD TO PUSH THEM INTO THE WHITE PLASTIC CONNECTOR BY THE STEERING COLUMN
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
they were just loose wires??? did they have pins on the end????
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
YES LOOSE WIRES WITH PINS ON THE END THAT LOCK INTO OLD CONNECTER
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
IT CAME FROM GM
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
did you put pins on it or just insert the wires
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WIRES CAME WITH PINS I REMOVED OLD WIRES AND PINS AND PUSHED THE NEW ONES IN PLACE
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, good. then you have good connections
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I THINK I DO CAN THOSE WIRES GO EITHER WAY
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
yes, it is looking for continuity. besides, if they were not correct the security light would stay in which you stated already is not on Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
CAN I PUT POWER TO ANY OF THE IGNITION SWITCH WIRES TO BY PASS IT TO SEE IF IT WILL START I BOUGHT THE CAR WITH THIS PROBLEM
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
you can power 1 fuse and see if it powers the others as well. you can try it if you like to verify. it should start if it powers up all 4 fuses Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WITCH FUSE 5 6 7 OR 8
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
pick one and try
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
OIL AND TEMP LIGHT CAME ON NONE OF THE GAUGES MOVE AT ALL AND WILL NOT TURN OVER
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
did it power up all the fuses that did not have power???
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I PUT POWER TO FUSE 5 IT BLOWS FUSE INSTANTLY
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, then there is a short in the harness somewhere. you have a harness issue between the ignition switch and the fuse block. Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
CAN WE RUN A NEW WIRE IT MIGHT BE HARD TO FIND THE SHORT
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
yes, you can but the issue is what else is involved in the short. it may be more than just 1 wire Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
YEA I WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND RUN ONE WIRE FIRST
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
ok, make sure you take the wire that feeds the fuse out of service before attaching the new one to the fuse Royplease dont forget to rate me as it is the only way I get paid for my efforts Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WITCH WIRE FEEDS THE FUSE
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
what color are the wires on the fuses??
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
FUSE 5,6,7,8 ALL HAVE SMALL PINK WIRES ONE HAS A LARGE PINK WIRE
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
the small pink wires are the load side not the power side Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
SO CUT THE BIG PINK WIRE
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
IS THE BIG PINK WIRE THE SAME AS THE BIG PINK WIRE IN THE CONECTOR BY THE STEERING COLUM
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
there are many big pink wires in the harness. you would need to use an ohm meter to verify it is the same wire Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
DO I CUT THE BIG PINK WIRE AT FUSE BOX
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WOULD THE SHORT BE IN THE IGNITION SWITCH
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
like I said, you need to verify the wire first no, it would be an open if it was the ignition swiitch. it would not provide power. you have a short to ground
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
VERIFY WHAT WIRE I AM ASKING IF I CUT THE BIG PINK WIRE IS THAT THE ONE THAT FEEDS POWER TO THE FUSES
Expert:  Roy Belding replied 10 months ago.
I cannot see what you are doing. I am going on your input. as I told you there are many pink wires. you need to do continuity checks to be sure you are cutting the correct wires Roy
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
NO SHIT YOU SAID TO TAKE THE WIRE THAT FEEDS THE FUSE OUT OF SERVICE IS IT THE BIG PINK WIRE GOING TO FUSE NUMBER 6 IN THE BACK OF THE FUSE BOX
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
YOU SHOULD HAVE A WIRING DIAGRAM YOU CALL YOURSELF AN EXPERT
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I DONT THINK I HAVE A SHORT TO GROUND THERE IS NO POWER TO FUSES 5 6 7 8 IN PASSENGER SIDE FUSE BOX
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
new expert here did you still need help ?since the fuses 5 - 8 in the passenger fuse box show NO volts with the key ON can you get to the drivers side fuse box and with the key ON do fuses 1B and 1C show 12 volts at them with the key ON ?
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
I WILL CHECK STILL NEED HELP
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
ok let me know about those other fuses
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
1B AND 1C HAVE NO POWER WITH KEY ON
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WAITING FOR SOME HELP
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
im sorry i was out for the dayok can you be sure the fuse called IGN SW in the under hood fuse box a 40 amp big fuse shows 12 volts on both sides of that fuse testing it in place through the little openings in the tops of that big fuse ?
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
THAT FUSE IS GOOD
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
when you changed the ignition lock and had to snap in those 2 wires into the big connector did you disconnect the connector the big one ?
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
YES
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
ok can you disconnect that big connector and see if any terminals got bent over by accidentthose fuses are powered by that big fuse that shows 12 volts and just the ignition switch switches the power to those small fuses that are deadif it was NOT doing this before that connector was unplugged the odds are one terminal in that big connector is bent over or pulled out
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
IT WAS DOING THIS BEFORE THATS WHY I REPLACED IGN LOCK CYLINDER BUT I WILL CHECK IT ANYWAYS
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
ok if it still does this and the terminals are all good in that big connector then the odds are the ignition switch itself is bad not switching the power to those fuses
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
here you go
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
CAN I PUT POWER TO A WIRE ON IGNITION SWITCH TO TEST IT IF SO WITCH WIRE
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
at the ignition switch jump the big red to the pink
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
OK JUMPED TWO WIRES MORE HAPPENS THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT COMES ON ABS LIGHT AIR BAG ETC. BUT STILL WONT CRANK OVER
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
i would replace the ignition switch nextsince the big red shows 12 volts at the ignition switch and you can jump it at the switch we know atleast the switch is badreplace the switch and see if it will run
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
WHY WONT IT CRANK OVER WHEN WIRES ARE JUMPED?
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
DO YOU ONLY ANSWER QUESTIONS AT NIGHT
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
i usually am around more so at nights on the week dayif that switch is bad which it is it can also not allow it to send the crank voltagereplace the ignition switch should fix all those issues you are having
Customer: replied 10 months ago.
OK I WILL REPLACE IT AND LET YOU KNOW THANKS FOR NOW
Expert:  Gary replied 10 months ago.
sounds goodif you have any questions please ask as i do not get credit for my work until you rate me here at Justanswer