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Have you tried using a different key?
Just so I understand you correctly when you turn the key to the start position the starter solenoid is getting battery voltage supplied to it but the starter does no turn.
the starter has been dragging
And this is with the new starter installed?
it wouldnt crank yesterday so i jumped it off.After i jumped it off the instruments wouldnt work.I drove to the gasstation and turned the car off and after starting it againg the instruments started to work again
yes the new starter
i put a new ignition switch in a few montes ago.
Which terminal on the starter did you check for battery voltage while the key was in the start position?
i left the gas station and parked and tryed to start it again and it wouldnt make a sound.thats when i thought that it was my baterry.i bought a battery and starter .the same thing,no sound
i didnt chenchanother guy did
i dont know which one he checked
i cheched all the fuses
are you still there
This is very Important the voltage needs to be checked on the small wire terminal on the starter solenoid for battery voltage when the key is in the start position. I need to know for sure because he might have checked for battery voltage to the starter itself on the big red cable going to the starter. This cable will always have battery voltage on it even with the vehicle off.
It Is Important to now if the voltage is being applied to the starter SOLENOID when the key is in the start postion because the antitheft might be causing your problem.
This is why I also need to know if you tried to start it with another key.
If you try another key and still have the same problem atleast we can rule out the key as being the problem.
the small wire are not getting fire
i just ast the guy and he said the the small wires are not getting fire
OK did you try another key?
i dont have another key
OK give me 1 moment>
i just put in the switch a couple of monthe ago
Can I have the last 7 digits of your VIN #
Thank you give me a few minutes to look at your vehicles wiring diagrams.
I am going to paste all the information on what is called the EWS 2 system which your vehicle has since your vehicles production date is 02/95 this system is very involved as you will see and the only way to properly diagnose it is with diagnostic equipment that has the capabilities for this system. You will need to have it diagnosed by either the BMW dealership or an Independent Repair Shop which has the proper diagnostic equipment. Basically how the system works is when you insert your key it reads the chip inside the key, and if it matches your vehicle the Engine Control Module (DME) releases the start signal voltage to the starter solenoid and the vehicle starts. If it does not read a good key the starter will not get the voltage supplied so it won't turn over. There are many items in this system that can have a problem and cause this problem you are having, this is why it needs to be diagnosed properly. Otherwise you will be spending alot of money just guessing at what might be the problem.
On vehicles produced up to late 1994 vehicle immobilization can be activated via the antitheft alarm system (DWA) or the on-board computer (BC) fitted on the assembly line.
On vehicles built in the production period from May 1993 to January 1994 this vehicle immobilization can be additionally activated via the central locking system (ZV).
After deactivation via the key and the lock barrel proved to be more and more a weak point in the antitheft system, the newly developed electronic vehicle immobilization (EWS 1) has been fitted as standard since January 1994 in all BMW vehicles (exception: E30, E32, E36 without ZV). This is documented by SA900. This vehicle immobilization system fulfilled the requirements of fully comprehensive insurance providers at that time
The development of vehicle immobilization systems made further progress resulting in all BMW vehicles worldwide being fitted as standard with an electronically coded vehicle immobilization system (EWS 2) as from January 1995. The EWS 2 prevents the vehicle from being driven under its own engine power as the result of tampering with the ignition lock or doors.
The electronic vehicle immobilization system, stage 2 (EWS 2) fulfilled the more stringent requirements of the European fully comprehensive insurance providers that came into force in January 1995.
Hybrid term derived from the words trans mitter and responder. The transponder is a special transceiver.
Electronic module in the key which basically consists of the transceiver, a small antenna coil and a memory.
Individuelle S teuergerätenummer (= individual control unit number), i.e. a number (production number) allocated individually by the control unit manufacturer to each engine control unit (DME/DDE).
The EWS 2 system consists of the following components:
The transponder is a special transceiver in the key which can communicate with the EWS control unit via the transceiver electronics (S/E module). The transponder chip integrated in the key consists of the transceiver, a small antenna coil and a read/write memory.
The transponder chip is powered by the transceiver module via the loop antenna at the steering lock. This means that no battery is necessary in the key for power supply. The power supply and data transfer take place in the same way as a transformer between the loop antenna (coil) at the ignition lock and the antenna coil integrated in the key. The maximum range for writing and reading is 2 cm.
The transponder memory contains:
Each individual key (with or without remote control) contains a transponder chip with its own key data thus making it unique!
The coil consists of 75 windings and fitted on the lock barrel of the ignition lock.
The electronic transceiver module (S/E module) serves the purpose of data processing and controlling data transfer to the transponder and also communicates with the EWS control unit. This communication takes place on a serial bi-directional single-wire line.
The transceiver module is installed in the vicinity of the steering column. It receives power as from ignition lock position 1.
The EWS control unit is the interface to the electronic transceiver module (S/E module), engine control unit and starter.
The main tasks of the EWS control unit are:
Power is supplied via terminal 30.
The engine control unit (DME/DDE) was designed such that the ignition (terminal 15) and the fuel supply are enabled only when a correct enable signal is received from the EWS control unit.
The basis of this enable signal is the individual control unit number (ISN) of the engine control unit.
The engine control unit (DME/DDE) must identify this enable signal before it then enables the ignition signal (terminal 15) and the fuel supply.
For this reason, after replacing the engine control unit (DME/DDE), the individual control unit number (ISN) of the new engine control unit must be transferred by means of coding (DIS tester or MoDiC) into the EWS control unit. The individual serial number is XXXXX available from the outside.
For safety reasons, the EWS control unit features a code-dependent afterrunning time (typically 10 s). The afterrunning time begins as soon as the ignition lock is in position 0 and no diagnosis telegrams are sent to the EWS control unit.
Observe the following points when checking keys:
The EWS control unit does not acquire any key data from the key during the afterrunning period. For this reason the engine can be started with any mechanically fitting key (also with an electronic defect) during the afterrunning time when changing a key!
To check keys, proceed as described in the following:
The duration of the afterrunning time can be read out with the diagnostic program of the EWS control unit as the "self-arming time" under "service functions", "read coding data".
For safety reasons, during a start enable, the central locking is opened from a secured status.
It is necessary to initialize and synchronize the control units and transponder during vehicle production or after replacing individual EWS components. The typical procedure at the production plant as well as at the dealer is described in the following:
The EWS control unit and the 4 vehicle keys are initialized with the key data created in a programming station. The key data for a further 6 replacement keys that have not yet been cut are additionally written in the EWS control unit. All key data (of a total of 10 keys) are stored in a database. The individual control unit number (ISN) is then read out of the engine control unit and entered in the EWS control unit. Initialization is now concluded and the vehicle is ready for operation.
Replacement keys can be obtained from a sales point only via a BMW dealer where one of the 6 replacement keys fitting the vehicle is programmed. This key is not a copy of the lost key, but rather a new key.
The sales centre always makes a new key! A total of not more than 6 replacement keys suitable for the installed EWS control unit can be made and handed over! The key data of delivered replacement keys are deleted from the database!
The order for making a key in the sales centre cannot be further processed before all the necessary customer and dealer data have been submitted in full.
Every request for a key is documented so that all inquiries from insurance companies and authorities can be followed up.
In view of the more stringent antitheft requirements, the procurement of replacement keys will in future be more involved than it has been in the past.
As from key No. 5 (first replacement key) all replacement keys will feature an 'E' on the key bit for identification purposes.
With the aid of the DIS tester, a lost key can be disabled on the vehicle and re-enabled if the key is found again. All keys still in the customer's possession must be submitted for this purpose.
A pre-initialized control unit must be obtained from the designated sales centre for the purpose of replacing the EWS control unit. The procedure is similar to that for procuring replacement keys.
The new EWS control unit must then be encoded in the vehicle. During this procedure the individual control unit number (ISN) of the engine control unit (DME/DDE) is transferred to the EWS control unit. The encoding procedure must be carried out as follows:
After replacement, the new engine control unit must be encoded by means of the DIS tester or MoDiC. During this procedure the individual control unit number (ISN) stored in the engine control unit (DME/DDE) is transferred to the EWS control unit.
Initialization is not necessary.
In addition to the production plants, the following sales centres are currently equipped with programming stations for the purpose of initializing EWS components:
The following EWS 2 components are available as spare parts through the sales centres:
By providing all the necessary data, the authorized customer is able to obtain from the sales centre a new EWS control unit and new initialized transponder keys with the previous mechanical key code via a BMW dealer.
If all 10 keys and all acquired data (also in the database centre) are lost it will be necessary to replace both the EWS control unit as well as all the keys. Since, in this case, the parts are not standard stock, the parts are supplied only by the Central Parts Distribution Depot (ZKA).
The diagnosis capabilities of the EWS system are supported by the use of the 'electronic vehicle immobilization EWS' diagnostic program (available on DIS tester).
Troubleshooting is greatly facilitated by the selection of fault symptoms and working through corresponding test modules.
In addition, functions are provided for the purpose of determining the validity of existing keys ('key test') and checking correct data matching between the DME/DDE and EWS control unit ('EWS DME/DDE data comparison').
Proceed as follows in the case of complaint:
Model series E31/34/36:
Model series E38:
Encoding is of decisive importance in the EWS system. After replacing the EWS control unit or the engine control unit (DME/DDE) the EWS control unit must always be correctly adapted by means of encoding otherwise it will not be possible to start the engine.
The encoding procedure begins with reading out the data from the old, defective EWS control unit still fitted in the vehicle.
The data entered in the defective EWS control unit are buffered in the DIS tester or MoDiC. After replacement the buffered data are entered in the newly installed EWS control unit.
This procedure (read data from defective component - install new part - transfer data to new part) must always be carried out in this order when replacing an EWS control unit!
If the EWS control unit to be replaced no longer has communication capabilities it will be necessary to enter the vehicle identification number and the central encoding code (ZCS) by hand. All other service data can no longer be read out of the old EWS control unit and are therefore lost.
The encoding procedure is carried out after replacing the engine control unit.
Matching with the EWS control unit takes place automatically during the programming procedure.
This is all the information on the EWS 2 system which controls the operation of your starter as you can see it is a very involved system and needs to be diagnosed correctly with the proper diagnostic equipment.
Thank you very much,
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