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I have two Chinese Vessels that can be in the Shang Dynasty

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i have two Chinese Vessels that can be in the Shang Dynasty era.
I am not sure if it is the real thing.
Can you help?
Submitted: 1 year ago.
Category: Antiques
Expert:  AppraiserJM replied 1 year ago.

Hi, my name is*****'m a certified appraiser, and I'd be happy to help.

Can you please upload a photo of the inside of one of the vessels, and the bottom of one of the vessels?

Jennifer

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Expert:  AppraiserJM replied 1 year ago.

I'm so sorry for the delay. We had a serious family emergency yesterday. I'll review right now and get back to you.

Jennifer

Expert:  AppraiserJM replied 1 year ago.

Thank you for the photos.

Unfortunately, these are late 20th century decorative reproductions. The value is minimal.

I'm sorry for any disappointment.

Sincerely,

Jennifer

Expert:  AppraiserJM replied 1 year ago.

I see you have not yet rated/accepted my answer. How can I help you further?

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Jennifer

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
How do you know that they are reproduction. Please note that the holes have been done after. It was not made to become lamp! No company or artist would have drill a hole in their signature!!!!What do you think?
Expert:  AppraiserJM replied 1 year ago.

These are not artist made. They are mass produced in molds.

I can tell from the materials, the style of molding, and the general look that these are late 20th century reproductions, made in an inexpensive white metal and artificially aged with gold paint.

I've been appraising Chinese items for 22 years, and have made several extended trips to China, so I can usually tell the difference quite easily. In this case, I'm sorry to say, it's clearly and quickly obvious that these are modern factory-made decorations, not antiques or art or anything hand-made.

I'm sorry for any disappointment, but it would not be fair of me to lead you astray just to make you happy.

Sincerely,

Jennifer

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Please note that it is NOT gold paint but real gold leaf that was applied.
Expert:  AppraiserJM replied 1 year ago.

It does not appear so. However, I'm happy to opt out and let all the other appraisers take a look. You do not have to do anything, and there will be no additional charge.

Sincerely,

Jennifer

Expert:  LadyTanya65 replied 1 year ago.

Hello, My name is***** am one of the expert appraisers here at justanswer. I would be happy to help you. I have reviewed the photos. The inside photos of the set you have is completely opposite of true Shang Dynasty Bronzes. They would not be smooth and have no aging inside. Gold leaf was never used nor known in the Shang Dynasty to be applied to bronze vessels. If gold was used it was liquid gold and applied and rarely on a bronze. The design on the outside is not a shang design I have ever seen and the aging process on the outside was done with acid made to look old. From really reviewing the photos the crusting was done with battery acid and brushed on looking at the vessels you can see where the brush went around and down. The gold leaf on the surface is to perfect to be from the period it was made to be from. The style of the vessel is wrong and if it was truly shang there would have been rings on the sides of this particular vessel design. The holes you speak of are done by drills and not from tools of the shang dynasty. A perfectly circle hole was hard to conquer and wouldn't have been cut in these vessels. I have specialized in Chinese artifacts for 25 years and have become well acquainted in how people have "made" period pieces. To appraise these items we as appraisers have to know our subject matter and how the forgeries are made to point them out to the customers. At best i would agree these were done in 1980-1999 and sold to unsuspecting customers as period pieces. If you recently purchased this set please print this out and go back for your money back. If they sold as Shang Dynasty pieces you have been deceived in the sell. I hope this helps better describe what makes these copies and not the real bronze vessel set from the Shang Dynasty. If I may be offurther help please let me know.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
Thank you for your response. Please note that the hole were made by the previous owner and not by artist. Those vessel have been used as lamp when I bought them. I do not agree with the timeframe that you have provided me due to the fact the the electrical the cords, sukets and plugs would date from the 1950. If those vessels are fake and do not represent the Shang Dynasty, which Dynasty would they represent and what the signature means. You may be able to put it together if you look at both vessels. Thank you.
Expert:  LadyTanya65 replied 1 year ago.

I received your response. Thank you it had said timed out so I did offer the additional service to respond if you wish to accept. In these bronzes, there is no artist mark. The Chinese used characters and seals when they did porcelains and paintings. Bronzes that I know of did not have an artists mark. What I can see where the holes are is not a character or seal but looks to be a design. I can not make enough of the design to even say what it could be. The "dynasty" would be Peoples Republic of China 1949- . The electrical cord being from the 1950s fits in with the Peoples Republic time frame I would accept that however the age is no older then that I can assure you. I even question that age however Peoples Republic of China is 1949 to present.

Customer: replied 1 year ago.
I am done.
Expert:  LadyTanya65 replied 1 year ago.

Thank you for the reply. Have a nice evening

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