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I have a complete bone china coffee set, Royal Doulton, from

 
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I have a complete bone china coffee set, Royal Doulton, from a limited production line of 25 sets I believe, each piece numbered and signed on the bottom and I believe dated from the fifties. The theme is fox hunting. It belongs to my friend and she wants to sell it now. I would greatly value your estimate. (I have photographs.)

 



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Nothing yet. I'm in the midst of getting it valued here in Japan.


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Submitted: 292 days and 21 hours ago.
Category: Antiques
Value: ¥4,497
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Expert:  Diane in PA replied 292 days and 21 hours ago.


Diane in PA : Hello, and welcome to Just Answer! My name is Diane. I can help you with your friends pottery.
Diane in PA : Does it look like this?
Diane in PA : BRB, had a problem.
Diane in PA :

I'm still here. I'll be right with you.

Diane in PA :

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Diane in PA :

And can you tell me how many, or about how many pieces complete the set, as well as the condition? Any chips, cracks, significant paint loss, etc?

Customer :

Hello Diane. No, it's not like that. I The picture didn't make it? I have photos of the set and the hallmark and makers signature

Customer :

There are no cracks or chips. 6 cups/saucers, sugar basin, 2 pots and a milk jug.

Diane in PA :

OK, can I see a photo?


Customer :

I'd like to send you the pictures, How?

Diane in PA :

BRB

Customer :

Pardon?

Diane in PA :

BRB = be right back

Customer :

Oh!

Diane in PA :

Instructions to upload a photo.

1. At the top of the REPLY messages is a little "PAPER CLIP" icon. Click on this icon.
2. A box will pop up. Inside that box is a tiny icon with six red dots. Click on the tiny box.
3. Now another small window with an orange stripe will pop up. Click "browse" and then locate the address of your photo on your computer.
4. Select that photo address and DOUBLE-click it so that the address enters in the open bar space next to the word Browse
5. Click the Insert button
6. Your photo should now show in your REPLY message.

Customer :

Hmm. Trying again

Diane in PA :

Would it look like this?

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Customer :

That picture didn't work well. I'm trying again with smallest file I can do.

Diane in PA :

or this?

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Customer :

Royal Daulton  coffee set
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Customer :

Did it work this time?

Diane in PA :

OH! I see your photo now. It has foxes! I thought it was fox hunting. Thank you. Let me do some research. My aplogies. No need for a photo.

Diane in PA :

Stunning set!

Customer :

The hunting part is indicated in the rider's crop which is the handle and the whip winds round the base of each piece. The pattern is embossed (right word? it's a raised pattern not just painted)

Customer :

I am in Japan and my friend, the owner, is in England asking antique shops there.

Diane in PA :

First, I'd like to compliment your friend on this beautiful set and for keeping it in such pristine condition all this time. Very nice!

Next, I'd like her to know that it is going to be very difficult, if not impossible for me to find another 'set' as complete as hers, so I have to research what various pieces have sold for and get an estimate from there.

Also realize that you she is in England, and I'm in the US, so the value may differ slightly, depending on the economy over there. I am looking at past auction sites to find the most recent values.

BRB.

Diane in PA :

ROYAL DOULTON TEA SET, 20 PIECES

Auction "estimate" back in 2010 was $200 - $400. I cannot see what the final bid was (possibly higher) unless I want to subscribe to the site for $25 and I can't do that, but here is just one idea (so far). BRB

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7505864

Customer :

Also the exchange rate will count. A friend here, worked for a museum once, is going to get me a valuation here, I think/hope. Thanks for researching.

Diane in PA :

Right. Exchange rate. Dollars vs. Euros

Diane in PA :

OK, first, through the following link, plus others, I've found this set is titled 'Reynard the Fox'. I am going to write more info. BRB.

Customer :

I lost you by clicking on the link. I don't know what I missed

Diane in PA :
Just use the separate scroll bar in the window above to see what you missed, although I don't think you really missed anything.

This next site I'm going to show you is going to give her best idea on how to price her set. It is a recent sale at Bonham's Auction House in the UK. The auction of this set just took place just two days ago, so this is an extremely "fresh" pricing idea.

Sold for £187 at auction. I'm sure your friend should get more than that if she plans on placing this in an antique shoppe. ??

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20221/lot/84/

It was a beautiful set, consisting of a coffee pot, a hot water pot, a twin handled sugar basin, a jug, four saucers, and four coffee cans, with angular handles moulded as a horse riding whip, extending to braided lash forming part of the base, the body of each printed with a fox and moulded in low relief, the coffee pot 21cm high, green printed factory marks.

Diane in PA :

That converts to $291 USD.

Customer :

Your picture where I lost you on a website was the same design as mine and this decription fits. Coffee cans? I don't have that.

Customer :

Can I save this chat?

Diane in PA :

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While yet an online seller is asking 54.99 (pounds) for just a cup and saucer. Also in the UK.

http://www.classic-vintage.co.uk/product_info.php/royal-doulton-reynard-the-fox-cup-saucer-p-307

Diane in PA :

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Like I said, I think that Bonham's auction price was low, especially for a set. It was probably bought by an antiques dealer who will mark the price up.

Diane in PA :

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This is a better example to show your friend:

This seller had just cups/saucers, and is selling them individually on eBay. He or she has sold 2 cups/saucers at $75 USD. That is $75 for just a cup and saucer! (and she still has one left to sell)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Royal-Doulton-Reynard-Fox-Demitasse-Cup-Saucer-/300509089930?_trksid=m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D50%26pmod%3D390336491539%26ps%3D50

Diane in PA :

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Now that I've managed to confuse you....

Customer :

I'm very surprised that selling them separately, breaking up the set, is more valuable that a whole set! Is that right?

Diane in PA :

She probably had an odd number. Probably originally had four, and one broke.

Customer :

In England, sets are usually 6. (Thus I have 6 cups/saucers)

Diane in PA :

I would put a 'true' retail value of approx. $800 - $900 USD on the complete set if she wants to wait for the right buyer. If she wants to sell them 'quickly', she could ask $400-$500.

Diane in PA :

I wish her the best of luck, I do. She has a wonderful friend to be helping her!

Please click the "Accept" button if you are happy with my service. I am only paid for my time and effort when you click the Accept button. Feedback is also appreciated, and I will leave you feedback as well. Thanks again, and have a wonderful weekend! - Diane

Customer :

I see. That helps. £175 for one cup/saucer x 6 = thousand pounds and that leaves out the pots jugs and sugar basic.

Customer :

Seems advantageous to sell separately? That seems odd to me.

Customer :

How do I save this chat, Diane? I want to refer to it.

Diane in PA :

Sometimes people are missing just one or a couple pieces and want to complete their set without buying a whole set. Sometimes someone collects foxes and wants a whole set. It all depends. Personally, I wouldn't break it up. I'd sell it complete.

Meanwhile, I am switching us over from the "chat" version (now), to the email version. It is still very simple to use. I just don't want you to panic when you see a different screen in front of you.

Customer :

Yeah, I panic easily!

Diane in PA :

This chat will always be in your JustAnswer account. I'm an expert and you're a customer, so I'm not sure how your account looks, but you should have an orange stripe at the top of this page. Somewhere it should say "Questions". Anytime you want to refer back to this, just click your Questions link. OK?

Customer :

Yes. Thank you very much

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Thank you so much for your fast and clear advice. It was very helpful.

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